‘Androcles: The Hunt for Lovely Gammas is On’ (Russ George)

Russ George submitted the following post.

Rossi, it seems to me, has long been not revealing all. The reports of gamma radiation from his e-cats are to be found though Rossi has been coy about such emissions. His apparent use of lead shielding on his e-cats reveals there is a real trail to follow. Some few cold fusion researchers have repeatedly and reproducibly seen emissions so the trail of gammas (in this case) is real. In working recently to better understand how Rossi puts together and operates his reactors and indeed other ‘tube furnace type reactors’ I have surmised that a radiation signature would be a very useful diagnostic and control tool.

Building upon my decades of experience with cold fusion experiments in a variety of modalities I undertook to find what utility there might be on Rossi’s trail. As it happens my very first experiments with my own designed and prepared fuels and protocols have proven my assumptions were/are correct. Gamma signatures provide plenty of directly and immediately observable signal to initiate, control, and enhance the reaction rate of such ‘cats’ or as I have named my experimental reactors ‘Androcles’. This is not as cold a version of cold fusion as Fleischmann’s room temperature but much less than 1000 C + or stellar temperatures but quite unmistakably ‘cold fusion.’

Below is the very early, very RAW, but dramatic data that suggests the trail is hot and the hunt is on!

Andro_may7

http://e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Andro_may7.pdf

Given that the fuel amounts to the volume of a few grains of rice the magic ingredient being deuterium, well… it just works.

Thanks for making the lab bench space available to me as well as help and friendship go to Alan and Martin at “Looking for Heat.”

Here’s a link to my blog and more on the progress of Androcles. http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2018/05/08/nothing-compares-to-being-at-the-lab-bench/

  • Dr. Mike

    Although you are presenting RAW data, a little more explanation might be appropriate. What is the background CPM? What changes in operation caused the 5 periods of increased CPM’s?

  • I’m using similar Geiger counter too, you can get it here (you may want to order few ones at once, as their tubes are very brittle and they don’t like transport from China way too much).

  • Alan Smith

    Re Geigers: We aren’t using the ones you think perhaps, and we aren’t using the pen-sized SBM20 tubes. The Geigers are NettIO from Japan, and the detector tubes are very sensitive ex-Soviet military ‘pancakes’ around 7 cms in diameter with an amazingly thin mica window. We use matched pairs of cross-matched instruments -control and test.

    • Thank You for correction – now I can really see, that your detector kits are a bit different and probably more professional..
      These Chinese ones with glass tubes aren’t very sensitive (it indeed also depends on gamma ray energy observed).

      https://i.imgur.com/5nAkquN.gif

  • Axil Axil

    As a proviso, if this system produces gamma at low reactor temperatures as Alan mentioned awhile back, the appearance of high energy nuclear level radiation at low reactor temperatures complies with my posit of radiation mitigation by a polariton Bose condensate. Disorganized polaritons will produce the LENR reaction, but they will not thermalize the gamma radiation that LENR can produce. When the Bose condensate is pumped to a sufficiently intense level, then gamma radiation emissions will convert gamma radiation to other forms of LENR radiation which includes light, heat, muons and electrons.

    The following article describes some of the radiation channels that polariton condensates will produce as a analog black hole.

    Marrying superconductors, lasers, and Bose-Einstein condensates

    http://phys.org/news/2016-06-superconductors-lasers-bose-einstein-condensates.html

    • Bob Greenyer

      Our Celani cells operated in this temperature range, and when fresh hydrogen was injected in 2013, we observed repeatable gamma emissions. Later we found out this was Piantellis preferred triggering method in his patent application until, he later changed it to microwaves.

      • Where is the data on the ‘repeatable gamma emissions’ in the Celani cells?

        • Bob Greenyer

          http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/347-gamma

          This is the story, it has been discussed many times. Here is the brief:

          1. Mathieu Valat was running one of our community funded Celani dual in line experiments. He had a leak in the active side and so it regularly d-pressurised from 3 bar to 1 over a number of days and had to be re-charged. Each time it was re-charged, he observed a burst of gamma in the VERY insensitive cheap GM apparatus. He was not keen to go into the leak, however, after seeing this effect over and over, he communicated it to me.

          2. Not being someone to take things of such significance based only on the word of another party, I immediately re-arranged my schedule and flew to southern France to see if I could observe it with my own eyes. The cell was already sitting around 1 bar when I got to the lab – Mathieu re-pressurised the cell and bam – the counts went up and then fell away – just as he said he had previously observed.

          3. Within 24 hours of publishing on our site, Jean-Paul Biberian had replicated and we got a slew of other researchers sending in their previous experiments that had observed something similar.

          4. We got support for replicating with a NaI, however, Mathieu had issues out of his control with respect to his lab space and by the time he was in a position to replicate with the NaI the leak was fixed and then, before he tried again, a vacuum / heating incident lead to a copper coating of the glass – so not possible. Finally he lost his lab.

          So, I certainly saw and recorded a seeming replication of an observation MV had said he observed repeatedly. Within 24 hours it was replicated by a third party in a separate lab – you may like to contact JPB for that data.

          Further to that, and much more than a year later, I noticed that application of fresh hydrogen was the then preferred method for Piantelli to trigger the effect in his patent application (and had been prior to our serendipitous observation). Other approach would be to create burst pressure change, an example not listed by Piantelli but derivative could be from rapid take-up or release of H from say Li or other hydrogen storage element/compound with a typical lower temperature – an example being K. When rapidly heating a heater may also provide EM field and radiant IR light contributions. In later additions of Piantelli’s patent, he moved from the increasingly rapid pulses of say Brillouin to the Norris Peery / George Egely approach of Microwaves – this became his preferred method to trigger and sustain the effect, his patent puts clear white space above and below this sentence to draw attention to it and IMPO this was the new approach that he alluded to when we were with him but he was prevented from talking about in Jan 2015. This brings all of these researchers in-line with John Hutchisons 1979 onwards work. Replicators of John Hutchisons work at US universities, the work of which John has unsuccessfully tried to force into the open (but told they are not government so do not have to do FOI) told him the effects occur between 22 and 24 cm of light, which are microwaves – I published this last year long before I observed the exact same LENR transmutation products in his samples.

          IMPO this same type of emission was observed in Alan Goldwaters GS 5.3 and that was a broad spectrum of energy described by former French nuclear worker as a ‘beta burst’. There were NO characteristic x-rays which is very important. This is consistent with shoulders observations of an EVO disintegration for which we have multiple physical examples in L1 and L2 reactor bodies – showing characteristic tracks that are extremely similar to those shoulders recorded. Shoulders believed that he replicated some Hutchison effects.

          • I was hoping for, expecting, a link to the ‘similar gamma data’ you mentioned.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Wouldn’t it be nice if we lived in a perfect world where everything came easily.

            Where did I say ‘similar gamma data’

          • Axil Axil

            I would like to draw a fundamental distinction between two classes of LENR systems: Fueled and unfueled systems. In the 2011 time-frame when Rossi saw gamma, he was running an unfueled system,so was Piantelli and Celani. Russ George is now experimenting with an unfueled system.

            The development of LENR fuel came latter as an innovation by Rossi. I speculate that Rossi found that when he reused ash from his reactors, they were very LENR active. Rossi perfected LENR fuel and started to use it in his tube reactors. The fuel was self contained and could be loaded in air. With this fuel, the hydrogen nickel reaction did not seem to matter anymore. Lugano is an example,

            Also gamma commissions went away when using LENR Fuel.

            I beleive that the active agent in LENR fuel is ultra dense hydrogen. Rossi, me356, the ECCO reactor and the LION reactor all use LENR fuel. Gamma will not come from these systems since ultra dense hydrogen is a superconductor. UDH has a near perfect Q factor and forms a condensate immediately and instantly.

            I have advised any LENR reactor builders who will lessen to produce LENR fuel directly by acquiring a Holmlid UDH generator. Just load that UDH into a tube reactor and you are good to go.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The active agent does take time to prepare, this is abundantly clear across multiple embodiments.

            Piantelli used to say, you can make the material you need either in the reactor or separately – but the process was not trivial.

          • gerold.s

            Hi axil, i have downloaded the holmlid patent. So far i didn’t have enough time to dig deaper, but so far i can say from reading thru the description i will probably have not enough skills to “translate” the patent text into a design concept for a practical device. Some support or hints would highly be appreciated. I am more knowledgable in manufacturing. By the way, replicating a patent w/o approval from inventor would that be ok, because i have my doubts. So far i didn’t get any feedback from sweden.

          • Axil Axil

            https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/11654175db705125d317422cee7944afcefb107a/c=35-0-3333-2480&r=x1767&c=2352×1764/local/-/media/2018/01/18/TXNMGroup/StGeorge/636518871523430042-STG-1117-Deuterium-07.JPG

            Mike Taggett demonstrates his work to detect and measure deuterium, a hydrogen isotope with various commercial and industrial applications Tuesday, Jan. 16, 2018.

            Mike Taggett might send you a sample of his ultra dense deutrium. He may be selling it?

            http://ternresearch.com/

          • One has to wonder where anyone might have channelled the comment about my experiment and its ‘lovely gammas’ coming from an ‘unfueled’ reactor. That is most certainly not the case, there is a very specifically conceived and prepared ‘fuel mix’ that is producing the raw gamma signal that has been shared. A number of other fuel mix experiments have been run in parallel showing no such gamma signal save one other. I use a tiny amount of fuel, a volume equal to 5-10 grains of rice, but it is most certainly a cold fusion ‘fuel’ that was chosen with guidance of the atom-ecology of the environment it would be subjected to and create. By the way I also prepare and load this fuel in air, a fact that might be a big tip to those skilled in the art. As my planned progression of fuel mixes go into the oven(s) over the next few weeks I expect/hope more about the specific characteristics of the atom-ecology where cold fusion is prevalent will be revealed.

            I have spent some decades preparing and working with experiments that produced what my friend Martin Fleischmann called ‘high fugacity deuterium’, aka UHD systems. In my opinion no one truly ‘skilled in the art’ of cold fusion would do otherwise. ‘Search for the nuclear smoke’ was the admonishment at the beginning of cold fusion some 30 years ago, the best advice from the best minds of the time was ‘if you have nuclear fire you must have nuclear smoke.’ Fleischmann after some years fessed up to cold fusion peers and noted that the hotter one runs cold fusion experiments the better! Limited of course by what the hot environment does to the fuel components. Heat is the enemy of high fugacity.

            In my work I began by utilizing mass spec services from the top outside laboratories as well as building my own low mass helium spectrometers. This sort of hands on experimentation is what it takes to make, find, and deliver cold fusion. While cold fusion heat needs to be present and is the useful palpable technology I principally was interested in and observed 4He in vast amounts 100ppm or more, far above the 5.22 ppm of helium in air and almost never any penetrating emissions. Many of those searches for penetrating emissions used state of the art LN2 cooled large germanium spectrometers and a variety of similar state of the art neutron detectors – all failing to see the penetrating emissions sought.

            These social media forums are sometimes useful and a few grains of good ideas sometimes are found amongst the abundance of chaff. But the anonymous internet makes it impossible to put a measure of trust in what is posted, especially by those who lack the courage of their convictions, interest, and intentions to make themselves known. That results in such blather as what this reply is about that I have used an unfueled experiment.

            By the way I am demonstably willing to engage privately with truly interested participants in this important field provided they introduce themselves and have something of equivalent value to offer in exchange, that’s the way science and society has always worked. The work I do is on a single small lab bench with very limited resources. Progress might expand geometrically with bench space and additional helping hands and minds. Those wanting to be part and add to the venture are welcome, those only wanting to add to their inner vulture are not. Adventure vs. Advulture, ever it has been so.

          • gerold.s

            Hello Russ,

            Yes, I (we) would be willing to support your endeavour to further develop LENR technology. I am a teacher at a vocational school in Austria specialized in mechanical manufacturing and automotive technologies.

            Because of my private interest in LENR and knowing our capabilities I would like to setup a school project to support organizations like MFMP or individual researchers with our capabilities, which would be 3D CAD modeling (Inventor) and design work (creation of 2D drawings) and/or manufacturing of mechanical components. (e.g. reactor parts or other testing equipment). We are strong in CNC milling (5 axis), CNC lathing and TIG welding.

            I have already made a similar offer to Alan Smith and Bob Greenyer. For further details you may contact me: [email protected]

            regards
            G.S.

          • keenant

            Hello Russ,

            Below are my interpretations for ‘fueled’ and ‘unfueled’ from Axil’s comment,

            ‘fueled’: the mixture includes spent LENR active fuel (ash) which may stop or absorb the gamma emissions.
            ‘unfueled’: is a fuel that does not include previous LENR active fuel (ash) and will have gamma emissions. It is not the absence of fuel.

            Keep up the great pioneering work.

            Regards

            Thomas

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Electron-positron annihilation?
    511 keV

  • Andreas Moraitis

    It would be helpful to learn more about the energy of those apparent gammas. If you do not have a spectrometer, maybe you could get at least a rough estimate by using a lead shield for comparison. Low energies might rather indicate X-rays than ‘genuine’ gammas.

    • Alan Smith

      511KeV is a suspect. There is (thanks to a supporter) a Gamma Spec on its way. By the time I get back from the USA it should be operational.

    • Of course the obvious confirmatory tests have been done. Multiple Geigers have been used for backgorund and coincidence. This is surely not low energy x-rays very likely moderate energy gammas. A new gamma spectrometer is ordered and on the way and will reveal more the instant it is turned on. I am well versed on old school radiology and have bracketed the gamma energy sufficiently to have some leading candidate well known reaction paths.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Good to hear. Please be careful – don’t sacrifice your health to your curiosity.

  • Multiple Geigers are in use for cross checking on the background as well as to deny coincident events. Everyone knows about Geiger sensitivity to the ‘noise’ effects and how to manage same, those are taught at the freshman science level. ‘Control experiments’, being our best replication of Lion cells, being run side by side under identical simultaneous conditions are stone cold dead.

  • WUTUFU

    This is a kind of work we need. Keep it up!

    Be carefull about EMF. It can be easily produced by a triacs so that you can pick up noise even meters away. But by removing the fuel you can verify it easily. Check the pancake detectors. If they are counting pulses that are not optically visible, it is reporting false values.

    • The Geigers are regularly checked for false signals and other issues as any freshman would be admonished to do. There are plenty of ways to confirm during these long counting runs that the Geigers are not giving false signals.

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is not over, it is rolling, being prepared and fitted generally around maintaining my existence.

    We have in the past discussed the fresh hydrogen includes a little deuterons and that may be playing a role.

    Experimentalists operating with MFMP resources and under its umbrella have essentially been free to work with their own insight, capabilities and within their limitations. This is natural for volunteers, as much as possible, when replicating, the crowd has been consulted and the protocol has been as close as it could be at a given time.

    When something happens that is unexpected, there may be a very large set of parameters that makes things difficult to replicate. It was said very strongly that the leak should not be fixed, the argument being that it was a feature not a bug and might be very difficult to replicate, but volunteers cannot be forced to do something.

  • Axil Axil

    https://www.slideshare.net/andrea-rossi/andrea-rossi-focardi-paper

    Published on Aug 30, 2011

    A new energy source from nuclear fusion (E-cat). Report by Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi.

    For those who are interested in E-Cat history, there is mention of nothing but positrons and gamma rays in this theory paper describing the experiments performed on the Rossi LENR system at the end of the last decade and the beginning of this decade when Sergio Focardi was helping Rossi.

    Reaction changes since then have removed this nuclear based output from the Rossi reactor.

  • Axil Axil

    ​https://phys.org/news/2018-05-unexpected-behaviour-atom-clouds-theories.html​

    Unexpected behaviour of atom clouds challenges existing theories

    “Most theories so far successfully describe the coupling of Bose-Einstein-Condensates in equilibrium, but they are insufficient to describe the out of equilibrium situation and the synchronization we observe.” The fact that the “quantum rhythms” of the two atom clouds are exactly the same after only a few milliseconds implies the existence of a mechanism that dissipates energy. As the system is isolated from its environment, energy cannot be dissipated but only transferred. “The coupling as accounted in textbooks theories cannot transfer energy as strongly and quickly as we observe. So either these theories are missing something – or they are just wrong. It means that it is our understanding of the interaction between the atoms itself which must be modified.”

    Regarding energy teleportation between BECs in a LENR reaction:

    In the LENR reaction, when a Bose condensate is involved, the atom to be transformed by the LENR reaction and the BEC become entangled…connected through magnetism via the flux lines of an interconnecting​ worm hole . The energy from both systems synchronize and the protons and neutrons in the atom are affected. Inside these nucleons, the quarks and gluons exist in a state of superconductivity. The nucleons are BECs. During synchronization of the BECs, energy passes from the LENR based BEC to the nucleons​. This energy destabilizes the quarks inside the nucleons and they decay. This decay produces energy that then is passed back to the LENR based BEC. All the subsequent subatomic particles produced by the LENR reaction also decay but since they are still entangled, their decay energy is returned to the LENR BEC. Even when muons produced by the initial LENR reaction catalyze fusion reactions miles away from the LENR BEC, that energy is still returned to the LENR BEC. This is why no nuclear level radiation is seen in a LENR reaction that has developed a BEC.

    • Thanks for sharing that very interesting article (and I’ve just bookmarked https://phys.org – which I was unaware of before now). But would it be fair to say that your last paragraph is only an educated guess as to what happens when a BEC is involved in a LENR reaction, rather than one for which there is other supporting evidence?

      • Axil Axil

        See

        http://e-catworld.com/2015/05/19/my-opinion-regarding-rossicook-reaction-theory-axil-axil/

        The explanation of the 100 micro Ni62 Lugano ash particle must have been produced by a cluster based LENR reaction demonstrating teleportation of energy and/or matter.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Possibly, or something else.

      • Axil Axil

        Rossi’s ‘the mouse and the cat’ is another reason to beleive that polariton condensation is at the bottom of the Rossi technology. It has recently been shown that many Bose condensates will synchronize in milliseconds through the sharing of energy and eventually combine. ‘the mouse and the cat’ is an array of reactors where one master reactor is powered and the other reactors are unpowered drones. The cat is the driver. The cat syncs up through polariton condinsation with all the other unpowered drones to form a global condensate that covers both the powered master reactor and unpowered drone reactors.

        • Where does Rossi say that the mouse and cat is an array of reactors with one master and other unpowered drones. This makes no sense, indeed what make much more sense based on real experimental observation is that the ‘mouse’ is internal to each reactor and it is what gets the ‘cat’ to be active.

  • OK it seems that I have been too coy, here’s a hint listeners, ‘a mouse in time makes nine.’

  • The muse of physics has some further hints on how to make these lovely gammas respond… https://youtu.be/IhYPxMdaOOs

  • Who might contribute links to examples of gamma radiation in cold fusion/ lenr. It would be useful to have a collection of such references. Include any photographs of experiments who by apparent design might have features suchs as lead shielding on Rossi cats that suggest gamma shielding. It is very probable that Rossi type hot tube experiments that work ALWAYS emit gammas!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Obviously, my thinking and experience has moved well beyond this, but this video goes through a lot and has a lot of useful links in the description.

      https://youtu.be/MtTeHU4vBmc

      • Axil Axil

        A sub-second flash of Bremsstrahlung has been seen in LENR experiments, immediately followed by the appearance of heat. Science has been looking for this as a sign of the formation of Hole superconductivity. This kind of superconductivity is an alternative to the standard beliefs that hold sway in superconductive theory. Leif Holmlid has adopted this theory to explain how ultra dense hydrogen becomes superconductive.

        In my view, what MFMP saw was the onset of Hole superconductivity as the density of individual polaritons reached the condensation threshold and formed a polariton condensate. The onset of heat production comes from the formation of the polariton condensate. The meissner effect generates this Bremsstrahlung when electrons are expelled from inside the polariton condensate at high energies.

        The production of fuel for LENR reactors may have eliminated the appearance of the “signal” since the main output of the fuel preparation process is already a superconductor such as ultra dense hydrogen.

        When gammas are seen immediately after hydrogen in introduced into a active system, this process may apply as follows:

        The Bremsstrahlung is also produced when the polariton BEC is destroyed at system shutdown or during the introduction of cold hydrogen into the system. The introduction of this new hydrogen could temperately disrupt the polariton BEC. The BEC will reestablish itself in short order marked by the production of a new “Signal”.

        The Defkalion system produced 300KeV radiation because the spark that initiated the beginning of a new heat cycle repeatedly disrupted the polariton BEC. The energy contained in this radiation was lost to heat production which lead to poor COP performance of that system.

        • Bob Greenyer

          condensate yes, of kinds.

          You make some other good points, points that you have made regarding this data in the past but you are putting a more coherent understanding on it.

    • Alan Smith

      Lightning also can produce unexplained Gamma bursts..

      https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=83387

      • Bob Greenyer

        It has all the conditions that help – EVO generation, light, heat, sound, EM, RF in an environment rich with Ohsawa-type fuseable nuclides including some proportion of deterium oxide with a full up/down parameter sweep in and instant and pinch effect. Not all parameters are needed.

    • Gerard McEk

      Did the Lugano-experiment also include gamma measurements?
      As far as I know that tube didn’t have any radiation screening except the aluminia tube itself.

      • Bob Greenyer

        In my video below, from Feb 2016, I show that 1mm of W would protect the expected emissions with a nudge nudge wink wink… I have said this may have been used in Hot Cat – I was later informed, though it is not from Rossi himself, that W was used.

        • That amount of metal would attenuate only a small fraction of the expected gamma emissions!

          • Bob Greenyer

            In the video, I was operating off the public shielding database for 100KeV guestimate of the post burst energy of emissions during excess heat. See calculation below

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c397d7f3938f08bd926b4b5af32d500fc93db3b27021cba667ded79918d60ea2.png

            Now, as we have seen in our experiments, from Celani wire leaky cell,
            the burst was every time fresh hydrogen put in, then afterwards settled
            into excess heat mode. In GS 5.3 there was only the H2 with a little D2
            in there and there was only one event. There was some suggestion that
            there was a sweet spot just above 300ºC for Ni H – As I recall, it was
            at this approximate temperature that we observed Neutrons in GS 5.4. A
            similar finding for optimal excess heat for NiH at just above 300ºC was
            presented by Brillouin at ICCF 20 in Sendai.

            So, I recognised that there appears to be an initial higher energy burst, duration and or peak of which, in my mind, may be related to amount of D2 in sweet spot [temperature/physical parameters], but because something similar was recorded by Francesco Celani at 8 meters distance in first Rossi Demo and this tailed off after seconds, I considered that when the process is going, it produces far lower energy emissions as long as support stimulation is in place. From my 2013 blog post,

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/347-gamma

            – Rossi came into the waiting room [after Celani had detected the burst and it had decayed] to invite people in to see the E-cat saying “the reaction has started”. One might expect this to be in the excess heat mode.

            – When Celani went in reactor room, “using the NaI(TI) near the operating reactor, there was a 50-100% count increase over background which was erratic.”

            If Shoulders is correct, and the bulk of the emissions are 2KeV with some up to 50KeV, then, even with the higher value, the attenuation by 1mm of W is 99.9989%.

            To save all the trouble of going into the video description to find the link, it is here.

            http://web-docs.gsi.de/~stoe_exp/web_programs/x_ray_absorption/index.php

        • suhas R

          Hi Bob
          You surely remember my telling you our Tungsten powder based ultrasonic milling during fuel preparation and then allowing part tungsten powder to remain in fuel .You have it in the sem data also.
          Suhas

          • Bob Greenyer

            Hi Suhas, the ECCO reactor (as per my interpretation of your descriptions) is ideally suited to screen and regularly harvest and remove the active agents before they cluster to much, IMPO this would mean that the energy of the emissions would be closer to 2KeV than 50 KeV, the former being easy/trivial to screen. No need for W.

            From Parkhomov’s FusFis analysis, presence of W in fuel may allow a wide range of net energy positive implosion driven atomic volume reducing reactions. Having said that, the abundance of Lead in the fuel would be even more beneficial.

          • Nah, the gammas in hand are far more energetic than 2Kev and likely most are more than 50Kev. Our new Gamma spectrometer is to be delivered on Tuesday so perhaps this week we will have chatted up those lovely gammas and thier data will speak to us, perhaps even giving us their direct number 😉

          • Axil Axil

            You will see bremsstrahlung so don’t be disappointed.

          • Bob Greenyer

            In signal, we saw well beyond the MeV with Li Ni and H (with natural D in) during the burst, obviously Celani cell was producing Gammas of unknown energy in the bursts, there was intense gamma in Rossi’s first demo as recorded by Celani – but in all cases, the gamma dies back when in XSH mode.

            In our experiments, if D was key, we only had 1 shot in GS 5.2 and a shot per cycle in leaky Celani cell. Presumably you are employing pure D so there could be a shot every, say, breath by the hydrogen ab/adsorbing materials – Lithium, if in play may be involved as in GS 5.2 / Rossi initial demo.

            It would help if you shared some more details about your protocol – unless I have missed them.

      • Alan Smith

        The Lugano experiment didn’t begin until after Rossi triggered the reactor- and Francesco Celani – who was nearby (the other side of the partition wall) with a Geiger in his pocket reported seeing a large burst of radiation which soon dies away.

        • Gerard McEk

          That means that gamma’s only appear in advance of the LENR reaction. The fuel is activated.
          That should give interesting results with the real LENR tests.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Whilst Alan has mixed up his experiments, you conclusion Gerard in the same one we discussed widely after GS 5.2 given all that went before.

          • Gerard McEk

            Let us hope that this conclusion is followed by a succesful LENR test!
            I wonder when that will happen, Russ.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Alan, I think you are confusing the Lugano with the initial public demo.

          However, in both cases, Rossi triggered the reaction.

          • Axil Axil

            Gammas were not seen in the Lugano test because Rossi used fuel in that reactor.

          • Please define ‘fuel’ vs. ‘not fuel’

          • Bob Greenyer

            Axil is right on the concept here, Fuel has the active agent + elemental feedstock rather than just the elements that made the active agent (which may include some of those in the elemental feedstock).

            Piantelli told us, you can make the ‘Fuel’ external to the reactor or in the reactor and did both.

            me356, Suhas Ralkar, Holmlid and likely Rossi make it externally – it is the natural thing to do once it is understood at least on a cause and effect basis. Egely, Hutchison and Adamenko make it in reaction zone and then activate it at same time. Shoulders did both – you know this because he says he can store in metals indefinitely until intentionally activated.

          • Axil Axil

            https://amsacta.unibo.it/4084/1/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf

            Observation of abundant heat production from a reactor device
            and of isotopic changes in the fuel

            Giuseppe Levi

            Find “fuel” in the referenced document above.

            The Lugano test report profiled Ross’s fuel in great detail. The ash was also analyzed.

            Example on page 53

            Sample 2 was the fuel used to charge the E-Cat. It’s in the form of a very fine powder. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these are not found in the ash.

          • Axil Axil

            https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/3023-2-jpg/

            This is a SEM of LENR fuel where the active LENR agent is flowing out of the microparticle and producing transmutation of the carbon sample tape.

          • Pretty picture but anecdotal tweets are meaningless. Show the data, or not.

          • Axil Axil

            That was a SEM of reactor fuel provided by a reactor builder. If you know how SEM micro-graphs work. the data is all there.

          • Utter Nonsense, I have had the privilege of working with some of the top SEM experts in material science and nothing it that image offers any sort of useful information. SEM is not something a wishful enthusiast learns in a few sessions.

          • Axil Axil

            At Lugano, after Rossi loaded the DogBone, he has nothing else to do with that test.

    • Axil Axil

      http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSevidenceof.pdf

      Evidence of electromagnetic radiation from Ni-H Systems
      S. Focardia, V. Gabbanib, V. Montalbano b, F. Piantelli b and S. Veronesi c, b

    • Da Phys

      https://doi.org/10.1016/0375-9601(95)00915-9

      If this can help, the above article shows interesting graphs of gamma and X-rays in a Pd-D wet cell using Pd co-deposition.

  • Axil Axil

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/TubeSpectrum.jpg/440px-TubeSpectrum.jpg

    The spikes are always present and are the characteristic of the radioactive decay process that produced the movement of electrons. In LENR generated bremsstrahlung, no spikes are seen. The movement of electrons is caused by the meissner effect when a superconductive state sets in or is destroyed,

    • – so are you saying (or surmising) that the movement of electrons caused by the Meissner Effect when a superconductive state sets in or is destroyed (assuming it can occur in some LENR processes) will be either an acceleration or a deceleration (braking) one and that, either way, it would result in a bremsstrahlung-like spectrum? I suppose there is German word for “accelerating radiation” to match “braking radiation” .

      • Axil Axil

        exactly

        read about hole superconductivity:

        https://arxiv.org/abs/1704.07452

      • Andreas Moraitis

        What do you mean by „accelerating radiation“? During acceleration, the provided energy is converted into kinetic energy of the accelerated object. So there is nothing left to be radiated away. Only deceleration requires the release of energy (which may happen by Bremsstrahlung in charged particles).

        • It is entirely possible that both accelerating and decelerating charges radiate. An example of the former is in the Betatron where the electrons accelerate and lose energy when going in a semi-circular path around each of the “D”‘s but gain much more on the two straight paths (I’ll dig up a diagram later).

          You might think that, in a simple X-Ray tube, apart from the characteristic x-rays of the anode, the only other radiation is deceleration-based (Bremsstrahlung). However, I contend that there is also acceleration-based radiation. But that radiation, due to the the applied anode-cathode voltage, takes place over a much longer distance (~10mm) than the tiny intermolecular distances over which the electron deceleration occurs. This ratio of distances means that the deceleration of Bremsstrahlung is hugely greater than the anode-cathode acceleration.

          But here we are not talking an X-Ray tube, we are talking a BEC, where as Axil has proposed, the collapse to superconductivity at the start of the LENR process (for that class of device) produces an abrupt deceleration of charge and hence a ONE-OFF shower of Bremsstrahlung. That would have been what the geiger-counter packing audience to the Rossi demo would have noted.

          Well, that’s my take on it anyway.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Of course, in complex systems where different factors come together one can often observe seemingly paradox behaviour. But if one reduces complexity these discrepancies usually disappear. To take up your betatron example, I would separate the “D’s” from the straight paths. As you say, in the former the electrons lose energy, while they gain (more) energy in the latter. So one would not be surprised if they emit radiation in the “D” phases – even if they are becoming more energetic in the course of the whole process.

            Perhaps there is a similar explanation for your X-ray tube example. Has the kind of radiation that you postulate ever been observed? It would certainly be interesting to read more about it, maybe you cold provide some reference?

          • – When the electrons semi-circle around each ‘D’ they are ACCELERATING, given (non-relativistically) by the formula V**2/R. Their energies do not increase during this phase because the magnetic field in the D forcing them to semi-circle can do no work on them (the force being at right angles). But because they are accelerating, they radiate energy. That energy and more is restored by the electric field in the straight and on it goes (but the electrons quickly become relativistic and hence the “Synchronising Betatron” or Synchrotron which adjusts its electric field frequency to compensate. Even so, the radiation during the circular phases limits the maximum energy obtainable).Look up an old physics book.

            To grasp the idea that something can be accelerating but not gaining kinetic energy, you need only think about an orbiting satellite, space station or astronaut. They are constantly accelerating towards the Earth (V**2/R again) but not increasing their energy. In fact, energy is slowly being lost from those systems by friction from the upper atmosphere which is why low-earth orbit satellites (without built-in boosters) eventually crash back to Earth.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Maybe this is partly a semantic issue. Certainly, there are cases where acceleration happens but velocity remains constant (the satellite is a good example). In case of the betatron, if the energy of the electrons is (re-)transferred to the electric field I would not put that kind of ‘radiation’ into the same category as Bremsstrahlung (where energy is carried away by photons). But perhaps that was not what you meant.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            I see. This is also called “Magnetobremsstrahlung” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron_radiation ).

            BTW this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_formula seems to support your claim that both decelerated and accelerated charges can radiate. I would, however, still see a difference from an energetic point of view: In the first case, the energy is provided by the particle itself. In the second case it has to be supplied from outside, so that the particle acts more as an intermediary. But perhaps this is rather a philosophical question.

  • Richard Hill

    very good work. It is great to see progress. However, it appears to have a roughly daily cycle. Is it correlated to something like moonrise?

    • Axil Axil

      Solar neutrinos

      • If so, likely this is the best neutrino detector ever made 😉

        • Stephen

          Russ are you doing anything special at the time of day when those spikes appear. Stimulating a mouse or something?

          If not are rhey occurring at a particulae times of day when something is occurring in the lab? Maybe power on of equipment or something?

          Or correlated with other exernal events affects, such as solar or lunar rise or middays etc. as has been suggested by Richard above? It will be interesting to see if any correlation comes with something and if so what it mean.

          Interesting that the ones that become controls don’t show this I suppose. So does imply something special about these particular modules.

          I wonder if the MFMP signal was also correlated to a similar cause.

          Fascinating to see this thanks for sharing it and good luck with finding a breakthrough.

          • Richard Hill

            In our area the electric supply concern uses a “ripple” in the supply at about 11 pm daily to switch on domestic storage hot water systems. Something like this could have various beats at various frequencies.

          • Yes I’ve been twiddling with the knobs and switches and all manner of things seeking to understand this robust persistant cold fusion reactor, sometimes less is more and vice versa. Just posted an updated chart of the lovely gammas today on my atom-ecology.russgeorge.net blog. Eagerly awaiting switching on the new gamma spectrometer and starting to better identify some of the several, at least, particular cold fusion reactions producing those lovely gammas.

          • Frank Acland

            http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LovelyGammas_Androcles2_-2-14-May-2018.jpg

            The timestamps on the x-axis are cut off in this latest graph, Russ.

          • Just keep in mind the data is logged once every second. This is many days of lovely gammas. The gammas so long demanded by the skeptic priests and prelates of church of atomic physics. Cold fusion is not one particular or peculiar reaction it is a plethora of ‘fusions’ that take place across the continuum of increasing temperature in various coherent states of condensed matter. This is of course as it must be as cold fusion has never been some miracle or quirk, rather it is a characteristic and predictable behaviour of various atoms when they are in this prescribed atom-ecology.

          • I wouldn’t rave on too much about those “lovely gammas” if I were you The hot fusion priests may use them as a fall-back position and say “OK, so some forms of cold fusion do work but the gammas make them too dangerous, elaborate or expensive to use”.

            (with that, they would be ignoring the neutrons from the DT reaction which hot fusion is still hoping to use but, hey, this is the “post truth” era, remember?).

          • No worries about that as one of the guys during Max Planks day once noted when asked when the high priests of physics would accept such new ideas and his reply was, ‘Never, the old guard will die first, it will be the next generation that accepts these discoveries and puts them to use.’ My grandsons and grand-daughter will one day be old enough to take over from me on this vital quest, they are the ones for whom I do this work standing at the lab bench every day bathing in that warming gamma glow. I only hope that I can live long enough to see that I have helped save this blue planet from the fossil fool age.

            Besides these lovely gamma are but the slighest ephemera associated with the principal cold fusion reactions, they are but one millionth of the main show, more like interesting colorful bugs sipping at the nectar of tiny flowers on the trail in the vast expanse of the forest of fusion and atom-ecology. They are presented here more to tease and taunt the sour sycophants that think themselves the high priests of fusion, hot and cold, and the upstarts who try to sell flim flam outside the temple gates. These lovely gamma girls are Trumping the avaricious old priests and upstarts alike.

          • c’mon, hardly old joanie, this is really pointer sister territory

          • – but from your photo you’d surely be a near contemporary of the “lady with the voice of an angel” and don’t all of us “cold fusioneers” want to “overcome” the hot fusion priesthood, who have been entrenched for much longer than the Vietnam warmongers ever were.

          • Of course I have always loved Joan, but in this field the Pointer Sisters and I have in common that we are, just burning doing the neutron dance.

          • Ahh – now I get it – you mean this!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jdhorGtQI

          • Stephen

            Great post. I enjoyed that. I’m on the edge of my seat now and have no doubt when you write this up it’s not only going to be interesting but a wonderful pleasure to read in its own right.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Looking forward to those energies.

            Have you got any dentafilm handy?

          • In use!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Wonderful. remember, for post exposure Lion would take the core out from the cell and put it straight in a tea tin lined on four sides with them, he found by stacking / spacing that (as I recall) 12mm was the optimum distance.

            LION, please challenge any inaccuracies.

          • Stephen

            Oh this is going to get interesting. Now I can’t wait to see what you see.

            I once contributed to MFMP a spectrometer. It was the best thing I’ve done for LENR. I can’t experiment lbut to be able to contribute something and feel part of it in a small way is great. I was very happy to hear that someone else did something similar and contributed the gamma spectrometer for Alan Smith. Thanks to who ever it was.

          • Bob Greenyer

            That spectrometer became a valuable part of MFMP history. Thankyou

          • Axil Axil

            You have not mentioned the sharp drops in counts (near 50) below background that are happening. Are you expecting these drops that are occurring? If so, why are these drops occurring?

          • Yes, they are a feature not a bug

          • Bob Greenyer

            Quite right, unlikely to be anti-gammas!

          • Stephen

            Do you have another calibrated gamma detector else where in the lab?

            Would be interesting to see what the real background level was.

            Or perhaps you have older data with the same detector from one of the runs that did not work or an initial calibration run?

            Can you tell us a bit about the placement of the detector relative to the device?

            And if any shielding was used surrounding the detector except on the face facing the device?

          • Stephen, Write me a private email and we may be able to discuss some of this.

          • Stephen

            I will try to this evening. I am curious but I’m also sure you will divulge these details when you are ready. I can be patient too. But I would like to exchange contacts.

          • artefact

            Alan talked about some good Geiger counter you are using.
            Is the LFH Geiger counter able to see something in your experiment?
            As a new owner of a friendly robot I’m keen to know. 🙂

          • Alan Smith

            We are using the same Japanese Nett10 Geigers as the ones seen on the LFH website. The only change is that we have swapped out the SBM20 tube they are fitted with for rather beautiful Russian made 7cm diameter ‘pancake’ tubes, with a far greater area and a very thin Mica window- hence the rise in background counts, we see when calibrating – the background is the same, just that we are intercepting 10X as much of it.

  • sam

    Ruby Carat interviews Melvin Miles
    on Cold fusion now podcast.
    http://coldfusionnow.org/

  • Rene

    Are those gamma reading spikes correlating to sidereal day possibly galactic center induced gammas?

    • Not related to sidereal time, that is certain!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Experiment is in Outskirts of East London

  • georgehants

    Entangled atoms shine in unison
    University of Innsbruck
    Public Release: 15-May-2018
    “Today, we can very precisely control the position and entanglement of
    particles and generate single photons as needed,” explains Gabriel
    Araneda from Rainer Blatt’s team from the Department of Experimental
    Physics at the University of Innsbruck. “Together, this allows us to
    investigate the effects of entanglement in the collective atom-light
    interaction.” The physicists at the University of Innsbruck compared the
    photon interference produced by entangled and non-entangled barium
    atoms. The measurements showed that these are qualitatively different.
    In fact, the measured difference of the interference fringes directly
    corresponds to the amount of entanglement in the atoms. “In this way we
    can characterize the entanglement fully optically,” Gabriel Araneda
    emphasizes the significance of the experiment. The physicists were also
    able to demonstrate that the interference signal is highly sensitive to
    environmental factors at the location of the atoms. “We take advantage
    of this sensitivity and use the observed interference signal to measure
    magnetic field gradients,” says Araneda. This technique may lead to the
    development of ultra-sensitive optical gradiometers. As the measured
    effect does not rely in the proximity of the atoms, these measurements
    could allow to precisely compare field strengths at separated locations,
    such as that of the Earth’s magnetic or gravitational fields.
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-05/uoi-eas051518.php

  • georgehants

    Afternoon Bob, please put up a little more of your realisation connecting with ancient knowledge etc. for the few of us that have no fears of the laughable scientific holy priesthood.
    I think you must sell the children and only use the microwave occasionally to concentrate on more important things, ha.
    Best

    • suhas R

      Sir
      why should we write such words ref to one of us- Bob- who is most sincere in whatever he does for this tech.?

      • georgehants

        suhas R, I am very sorry that you seem to have misunderstood my comment, I think Bob will confirm for you that it was written with the best of intentions and respect.

        • suhas R

          Thanks Sir—–I think you must sell the children and only use the microwave occasionally—-
          if I have misunderstood the comment
          I think I will go back to school and learn my english lessons if I have misunderstood words

          • georgehants

            suhas R, no problem, many people can be misled by English humour

          • Bob Greenyer

            George, Suhas

            I am working hard on my next presentation, leveraging a tool I am guiding the build of that will bring clarity to the community and also about the ubiquity of LENR.

            At the same time, I am arranging moving of office and I have chest pain these past few days. I am going through the right procedures to discount things – not heart. Both of these and that my current building has had a jack hammer going all day has meant that the presentation I wanted to publish wednesday will have to wait a day or so – however, I found an error in my deliberations and the final result will be better for it.

            Suhas – I know where your W went.

          • georgehants

            Thank you Bob and fully understand, I hope my comment in no way came across to you in anything but the light-hearted way it was intended.
            Seriously now perhaps you should slow down and have a good rest.

          • Bob Greenyer

            George, you and I are English, I laughed the moment I read your comment, because I am English – this is English humour.

          • suhas R

            Take care Bob

  • It would be polite to leave the cosmic mystical ramblings for some other forum.

    • georgehants

      russ, do you mean that if those “cosmic mystical ramblings” show a connection to Cold Fusion etc. we should all ignore it and go hide under the table like the incompetent scientific establishment have preached to their students for many years?
      Sounds like the typical, usual, laughable, religious, expert, scientific dogma

      • Truer trolls were never tapped.

        • georgehants

          I take it you can’t answer a simple question. that is the hallmark of a “Troll”

  • georgehants

    PhysOrg
    Can a quantum drum vibrate and stand still at the same time?
    May 18, 2018 by Hayley Dunning, Imperial College London
    Researchers have studied how a ‘drumstick’ made of light could make a microscopic ‘drum’ vibrate and stand still at the same time.
    A team of researchers from the UK and Australia have made a key step towards understanding the boundary between the quantum world and our everyday classical world.
    Quantum mechanics is truly weird. Objects can behave like both particles and waves, and can be both here and there at the same time, defying our common sense. Such counterintuitive behaviour is typically confined to the microscopic realm and the question “why don’t we see such behaviour in everyday objects?” challenges many scientists today.
    Now, a team of researchers have developed a new technique to generate this type of quantum behaviour in the motion of a tiny drum just visible to the naked eye. The details of their research are published today in New Journal of Physics.
    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-05-quantum-vibrate.html#jCp

  • georgehants

    ScienceAdvances
    18 May 2018
    In graphene superlattices, bulk topological currents can lead to
    long-range charge-neutral flow and nonlocal resistance near Dirac
    points. A ballistic version of these phenomena has never been explored.
    We report transport properties of ballistic graphene superlattices. This
    allows us to study and exploit giant nonlocal resistances with a large
    valley Hall angle without a magnetic field. In a low-temperature regime,
    a crossover occurs toward a new state of matter, referred to as a
    quantum valley Hall state (qVHS), which is an analog of the quantum Hall
    state without a magnetic field. Furthermore, a nonlocal resistance
    plateau, implying rigidity of the qVHS, emerges as a function of
    magnetic field, and this plateau collapses, which is considered a
    manifestation of valley/pseudospin magnetism.
    http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/5/eaaq0194

  • Alan Smith
    • Doesn’t get any more simple that this. Rossi’s myriad obfuscations and misdirections aside this hot dry tube cold fusion ecosystem is very simple for anyone skilled in the art to create. The idea that it is difficult to ‘reverse engineer’ is preposterous. Mistakes that render it inoperable are also as prevalent as potholes in Potsdam.

  • None of your so called ‘understanding’ could possibly have come from reading my blog posts as they provide quite a different set of facts. One has to wonder what disingenuous motivation might be for your writing here, under an anonymous moniker, such an utterly false and misleading understanding, punctuated with the “Correct?” http://www.atom-ecology.russgeorge.net

  • Engineer48
    • Stephen

      Great to see this… It seems that at long last a window is being opened.

      A gamma spectrum wow. Can’t wait to know what it reveals.

      There is an ecology in LENR. But also an ecology in its people.

      I like all approaches that find the right niche and think they all have something to add. But I am personally very glad that we have this reserved careful and methodical approach by Alan and Russ and his colleagues. This work I think will be the most accessible to some of the more cautious and reserved people as they become exposed to the technology in the near future.

      Good work really looking forward to what is revealed over the next weeks of this study

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