Rossi: “In Race against Time” to get E-Cat Production Underway

Here are some more questions that I asked Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, along with his responses. Question #1 refers to a comment he made yesterday in which he affirmed that they had determined exactly what the robots he plans to use in E-Cat QX production will have to do.

Frank Acland
February 6, 2018 at 7:44 PM
Dear Andrea,

1. If you have defined exactly what the robots will have to do, are there robots already available that can do the job, or do custom robots need to be made?

2. Has your workforce increased in number since the beginning of 2018?

3. Has your prototype been performing in a satisfactory way?

4. How would you describe the mood of your team these days?

Andrea Rossi
February 6, 2018 at 9:54 PM
Frank Acland:
1- the software is custom, the robots are off the shelf
2- yes
3- yes
4- under strong pressure, because I am very nervous to succeed to sell the industrial plants within 2018. We re all under strong pressure, because every day that passes is a day less at our disposal. Time is not reversible, unfortunately. This is a race against time and relax is not an option
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So it seems that a serious effort continues to get the production underway in 2018. We know that Andrea is a driven man when it comes to the E-Cat, and I can imagine that he makes sure that the people working on his team are well aware of his goals, so it’s probably a high pressure environment at Leonardo HQ.

  • Jag Kaurah

    Good set of questions Frank

    Rossi has confidence in you and answers well.

    Excellent that the prototype is satisfactory

    Hopefully the long wait will be over within 2018

  • Gerard McEk

    I guess the prototype (point 3) was not assembled with robots, yet.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Do you think the difference in production methods would improve the device? Surely the final product will become more precise.

      As it was and I presume still is for Lithography and microchips. I expect increasing precision to be an ongoing objective.

      • Monty

        That is a very interesting question. Will precision improve COP?

      • Bob Greenyer

        After Kenneth Shoulders invented the techniques for Lithography, he knew it was boring to be in the job of making it better.

    • Frank Acland

      Yes, the way I understand it is the prototype was made manually, now they are studying how to make it with robotics.

  • Monty

    I wonder who he is racing. I doubt it is just his personal goal of commercialisation in 2018. I bet time in this last sentence is more of a proxy for the things that will happen hopefully in 2018.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Seriously, Rossi is running out of time.

    • Brokeeper

      Perhaps he sees BrPL as his closest competitor and getting closer.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Perhaps

    • f sedei

      Why is Rossi running out of time? Is it because of competition? poor health?, or some other reason? I really don’t see any immediate concern over serious competition. He seems very energetic and healthy to the eye. Also, if some other fantastic invention would spring from another genius inventor to supersede LENR capabilities (highly unlikely), Rossi’ working QX would still be in much demand for many more decades. This product is now in it’s infancy, but with improvements and finalization will guarantee Rossi the Nobel Prize, Billionaire Status and the gratefulness of the world population. Rossi is patient,exacting and, most of all, wants it done right.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Getting it done is what matters, doesn’t really matter by whom.

        He recognises he is in a race and I agree with him

  • sam
  • Pekka Janhunen

    Rossi has set himself a goal and therefore is in a racing mode against time. A bit like how Elon Musk operates. He might but is not necessarily racing against anything external.

  • We have a bonafide race to the market in the emerging energy field. On one hand you have Brilliant Light Power and Randell Mills, yesterday they posted an their first quarter of 2018 update ( http://brilliantlightpower.com/first-quarter-2018-update/ ) it seems their time line is slipping as they are having manufacturing challenges and they keep tweeking the final design of their Suncell which keeps adding time. On the other hand you have Andrea Rossi and his ECat QX who has his design finished and a clear path to the production finish line. Also he is doing everything he can to pick up his pace. Who will have a manufactured working product first? Last year I would have bet on Randell Mills, today I am not so sure. Rossi has more of a sense of urgency, which I hope will spur Brilliant Light Power to stop tweaking their design and get a working product out the door. Whoever gets the headlines first will have a first mover advantage. In the long run the Suncell seems to have a flexibility the Ecat may not. Although the Ecat may prove to be more cost effective depending on the model employed by Brilliant Light Power. Ultimately, in my opinion, they will both have their space in the market.

    • theBuckWheat

      In comparison, Randall Mills has been a fount on information, including videos of the core technology in operation. He also published a whole book on his theory that is available for download for free. It appears that he has found a way to increase the heat output even more. But if he only brings the current technology to market as a source of heat, it will be a wonderful advance for humanity. I wish him well.

    • MorganMck

      Although I think both Rossi and Mills have promising technology, they both tend to keep repeating the same mistakes.

      Mills pops up every 18 months or so (when he needs $) and says he has a proven design with all major issues resolved to field a disruptive energy generating device – then never delivers on the promise. This has been happening since 1990.

      Rossi pops up every few years (when he runs out of $) and demonstrates a reactor which seems to work, but always uses protocols, setups, equipment and personnel that cast some doubt on the veracity of the results. He always has a robotic factory for mass production in the final planning stages and many mysterious customers and partners.

      I don’t think either one of these guys are fraudsters, but they both have histories that do not instill confidence that they will deliver what and when they say.

    • Omega Z

      ECat QX, BLP Suncell, Each will probably be best suited for different uses. Other then that, It keeps both parties honest as in price competitive.

    • greggoble

      Let’s not foget Brillouin Energy…

      http://brillouinenergy.com/blog/

  • Ophelia Rump

    A Race against Time” to get E-Cat Production Underway sounds like some kind of deadline has been established. We can only wonder what that entails contractually. It also implies explicit criteria for success have been established.

  • causal observer

    1) custom software / off the shelf robots* => CAD/CASE/CAM => matches expectations, in a good way
    2) “Your workforce increased” => for Leonardo, or partner, or both?
    3) prototype performance => tough to answer that one any other way
    4) interesting to consider what it would be like to work under Rossi at this point

    * in the sense that any piece of automated manufacturing equipment could be called a robot

  • AdrianAshfield

    Rossi continues to be optimistic about production in 2018. As he has a working prototype I presume he can make more and even test a module of them in parallel with building the factory.

    Unless other information surfaces, his target date is self made. I wouldn’t be surprised if others, besides BLP, working in secret. were nipping at his heels.

    The assembly by ABB robots should be fairly straight forward. What is not clear yet is how much of the manufacturing, like the tubes, electrodes and casing, are things he is going to make or buy from outside sources.
    He is an engineer and will have at least a mental Gantt chart for estimating the time for each piece of the puzzle.

    • Frank Acland

      I guess in-house they are making the secret stuff:

      Control system
      LENR mix (powder/gas/wafer or whatever it is)
      Custom Alloy

      Other standard parts needed could be outsourced.

  • greggoble

    It is certain their.is a race to LENR energy commercialization. This must include a race to utilization.

    As I see it, LENR utilization can be catorígized:

    LENR Thermal
    LENR Electric
    LENR Transmutation

    I rate LENR Electric as most valuable… Cars planes spaceplanes etc All motivr needs. Heat is a byproduct.

    LENR Transmutation rates next. The transmutation of nuclear waste will prove to be a highly profitable market. This provides for massive centralized electrical power generation. Valuable elements are a byproduct.

    LENR Thermal, while placing last. has immense value wherever high process heat is needed.

    Many are in this race. Some pursuing LENR energy utilization in multiple categories. I was pleased to see Rossi move to LENR Electric. This added time to his commercialization date yet may prove to be well worth it.

    • LarryJ

      Rossi’s first product will be LENR thermal. Electric will no doubt follow but he did say the product announcement will be heat.

      • greggoble

        Yes
        In warm regards!

  • HS61AF91

    Encourage him and his team with positive wishes for success and completion of tasks. In other words, we who look to the E-Cat as a human means of salvation, put into serious frame of mind, the will to reach that essential goal. Get there and be the first, win!

    • greggoble

      Sadly the weaponization of LENR is in progress. Benefits must surpass with forethought.

      • Brokeeper

        Agree, our position should be to embrace the noble side.

        • greggoble

          Thank you, yes. The opportunity arises, Can we succeed in creating a world/planetary culture where no entity feels a need for violent warfare?

          Please read

          Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare Circa 2025.Dennis Bushnell NASA LENR at Cold Fusion Now .com

          • Bob Greenyer

            I have said for years – an AI drone, armed with lasers (or other EM weapons I have described elsewhere) and powered indefinitely with LENR would be a nightmare on steroids.

          • AdrianAshfield

            It is off topic but I agree it is very important to read Bushnell’s paper We are wasting the present $700 billion/yr on things that will not help us in the next war.
            https://fedgeno.com/documents/future-strategic-issues-and-warfare.pdf

          • causal observer

            Implementation difficult, covering tracks harder, retribution terrible. Still, the best use of some of those billions might be to increase understanding of the causes of war, terrorism and inter-societal conflict.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    February 7, 2018 at 9:40 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    Is the design of the first industrial E-Cat now settled (speaking of the technical specifications, not aesthetics)?

    Best wishes,

    Frank Acland

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    February 7, 2018 at 11:23 AM
    Frank Acland,
    Yes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • greggoble

    I believe GEC, Brillouin, Brilliant Light and Airbus are his closest competitors. Others known and unknown loom.

  • causal observer

    Might there be industrial standards that Leonardo/ABB would design toward?
    starting points:
    https://www.sigmathermal.com/
    https://www.wattco.com/types-of-process-heating-systems/

  • causal observer

    EU always seems to be most strict; however, there are other parts of the world.

  • cashmemorz

    I worked in aerospace.The ISO or CE standards compliance requires engineers that are true long term bureaucratic discipline types. A glorified clerk, who knows engineering, physic and the way the machine interfaces with people. Lots of work for that kind of specialist. Head hunters also have a lot of work in finding engineers with that kind of temperament.
    I tended to be the one who does exciting things in research, and mostly short term until I did the finding or getting research results. So my temperament would not be suitable for that stage at which the ECat QX is at now. I would have loved to be an assistant to Rossi , Mills and that kind of inventor. I had to settle for not so glorious items like 3D glasses for IMAX, power generating windmills, Saturn V parts, nuclear plant configuations.
    At least that experience lets me to judge that Mills is spot on with his Grand Unified Theory-Classical Physics.

  • LarryJ

    You haven’t been paying attention. It’s this year. Rossi always delivers. For the last 5 years his hands were tied by IH. With them out of the picture it’s a whole new ballgame.

  • sam

    Robert
    February 10, 2018 at 7:49 AM
    Mr Rossi,
    How many probabilities are there that you will start the sales of the industrial plants in 2018?
    Cheers,
    Rob

    Andrea Rossi
    February 10, 2018 at 8:28 AM
    Robert:
    70% now.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Patrick
    February 10, 2018 at 7:52 AM
    Dr Andrea,
    Did you already cheese the suppliers for the parts you wil outsource? If yes:
    1- which Countries are they of?
    2- which are the parts you will outsource?
    Godspeed,
    Patrick

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    February 10, 2018 at 8:27 AM
    Patrick
    1- USA, Europe,China, India
    2- confidential
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • LarryJ

    That’s simply not true. Every official test delivered on Rossi’s reactor shows more power out than in. You should read the Lugano report, the Ferarra report and most recently the one year MW test report. These tests were conducted by independent researchers and in every case showed more power out than in and in the case of Lugano, nuclear transmutations in the spent fuel. Now where are the facts supporting your opinion or have you not been paying attention?

    Lugano and Ferrara tests

    http://e-catworld.com/may-2013-3rd-party-test/

    Official report of the Expert Responsible for Verification (ERV) of the 1MW reactor in Doral Florida for 1 year as submitted to the court in evidence. The appendix of the report shows a daily COP of 80 for the duration of the test.

    https://ecat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Expert-Responsible-for-Validation-Ing-Fabio-Penon-Nuclear-Engineer-for-1-MW-E-Cat.pdf

    Settlement agreemement between Leonardo and Industrial Heat in which IH was sued by Leonardo for Breach of Contract and IH agreed to relinquish all rights to the eCat.

    https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/settlement-agreement.pdf

  • sam

    Tom Conover
    February 11, 2018 at 9:36 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    It sounds like you have made very good progress. Congratulations on
    your recent successes! One question for you this morning …

    How are you holding up lately? Do you get enough sleep?

    Will (some, none, all) of the sales this year from the automated line have NDA non disclosure agreements as in the past?

    If there will be “some”, about what percentage of the sales do you think will have NDA agreements?

    Thank you for your replies,

    Tom

    Andrea Rossi

    February 11, 2018 at 10:04 AM
    Tom Conover:

    I am working very hard, but sleep enough. Luckily, Gos is allowing a good health to all of us.

    About the NDAs: surely some will allow us a presentation, also because
    the presentation will be better if made where a plant is working. We’ll
    see what we will be able to do.

    We will try to present 100% facts, 0% chatters.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    Albert
    February 11, 2018 at 5:08 AM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:

    I strongly suggest you to make the basic industrial module with a power
    of 100 kW, not 1 MW: you will enlarge enormously the market.

    Godspeed,

    Andrea Rossi

    February 11, 2018 at 10:01 AM

    Albert:

    Thank you for the intelligent suggestion,

    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Vinney

    Another reason Rossi might have picked up the pace, is urgent enquiries from water purification companies that see the Ecat QX as the only technology with rapid deployment that can alleviate looming catatrophies in Capetown, South Africa. Which will have no public ‘water reserves’ as early as April 12, 2018
    http://Www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42787773
    Even the low temperature Ecat would alleviate the cities demands.
    I am sure Rossi has a few designs in mind for ‘hybrid’ distillation that would achieve more ‘potable’ water from seawater than reverse osmosis.
    One brand new startup using hybrid distillation is;
    http://Www.watly.co
    Their solutions are more suited for remote African communities and are probably being deployed as we speak.
    Capetown is not the only city on the brink, Miami has had water shortages in the recent past.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-42982959
    He would get sales of hundreds of MW plant at any asking price in South Africa.
    The Ecat QX based distillation plant would have the benefit of being transportable and scalable in capacity.
    A godsend in many of these drought stricken cities near the sea.

    • Vinney

      Jacob Zuma has resigned, we may get a more enlightened ‘interim’ government, that will fast-track resources and ‘money’ to alleviate a crisis in CapeTown.
      The end of the year is too late for robotically produced Ecat QX plant.
      If Rossi where to deliver on this crisis with a dozen desalination/distillation plants by June, he will be known as a hero worldwide.
      Incidentally the firm mentioned above, http://www.watly.co have been developing ‘re-mineralisation’ techniques of distilled water to make it healthy for over 4 years.
      They are an ideal partner, but there are plenty of others in similar space, but they are missing the Ecat.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    February 12, 2018 at 9:03 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    With the E-Cat QX plants, will it be possible to use the output of the E-Cat to drive a generator which will produce electrical power to drive the E-Cat plant itself? In other words, have a self-looped system, with no external electrical supply necessary.

    If not, can you explain why not?

    Many thanks,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    February 12, 2018 at 1:22 PM
    Frank Acland:
    To make electricity we need the Carnot Cycle, then we can use the electricity to run the Ecat. Theoretically possible, but economically useless and complicated, so far.
    What counts is the COP, with or without longer or shorted SSM. In future, after the launch of the product, we will spend time on this possibility, but I think in the short term our core business will remain to make heat, with which our Customers will make what they need.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • sam

      Gerard McEk
      February 12, 2018 at 11:34 PM
      Dear Andrea,
      You replied to Frank Ackland that you do not yet develop Ecats for generating electricity, but if a customer wants to use an E-cat QX for generating electricity, would you be able/willing to deliver one with the right properties (i.e. High pressure steam/ 500 deg C) in relatively short terms after you have industrialized the QX modules?
      Thanks for answering our questions.
      Kind regards, Gerard

      Andrea Rossi
      February 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM
      Gerard McEk:
      Yes.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      • sam

        Angelo V.
        February 13, 2018 at 6:22 AM
        Dr. Rossi, did you already try to assemble a large number of E-Cat QX together? Beyond the problems related to heat dissipation and temperature management, did you note if the operating parameters of the individual units are influenced by the proximity of the others? Thanks.

        Andrea Rossi
        February 13, 2018 at 8:27 AM
        Angelo V.:
        Yes, we are working with assemblies and they act just as an aritmetic summatory.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

  • sam

    Priscilla
    February 14, 2018 at 2:21 PM
    Mr Andrea Rossi,
    As of today how many probabilities you think are there, that within this year the first industrialized product will be put in the market?

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    February 14, 2018 at 7:19 PM
    Priscilla:
    Today I think between 80 and 90%.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Kira Grau
    February 14, 2018 at 2:29 PM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    In the video of the Stockholm event at IVA of November 24 I noticed that the Ecat QX had a sticker with a black cat silhouette and a red ball: is that the trade mark that will be put on the Ecats?
    Cheers
    Kira

    Andrea Rossi
    February 14, 2018 at 7:18 PM
    Kira Grau:
    Yes, that is our registered trade mark.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Lindsey
    February 14, 2018 at 3:00 PM
    Dr Andrea Rossi,
    Where do you foresee the first presentation of the industrialized product will be made?
    Godspeed,
    Lindsey

    Andrea Rossi
    February 14, 2018 at 7:17 PM
    Lindsey:
    As things have developed now, I think the first presentation of the product will be made in the USA.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Bernie Morrissey
    February 14, 2018 at 4:33 PM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    Would a jet engine driven by E-cat QX make less noise than one driven by combustion?

    Bernie Morrissey

    Andrea Rossi
    February 14, 2018 at 7:16 PM
    Bernie Morrissey:
    All I can say is that the Ecat does not emit noise.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Frank Acland
    February 14, 2018 at 10:18 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    You wrote: “we are working with assemblies and they act just as an aritmetic summatory.”

    1. Does this mean that when you combine individual E-Cat QX reactors together in an assembly, the heat from one or more individual E-Cat(s) does not interfere with the performance of others E-Cats in the same unit?

    2. When you have multiple E-Cat QXs operating inside one assembly, is the operation of the control system that drives them adversely affected (compared to when only one E-Cat QX reactor is driven)

    3. Do you mean that if you have 100 E-Cat QX reactors in one assembly, and each is rated (hypothetically) at 40W, that the overall output would be 4000W?

    Thank you if you can answer,

    Frank Acland

    4. Do you mean that

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    February 14, 2018 at 11:36 AM
    Frank Acland:
    1- yes
    2- no
    3- yes
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    February 14, 2018 at 8:51 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    Four days ago you said you were 70% sure that you would start the commercialization of industrial E-Cat plants in 2018; today you say you are 80-90% sure. Can you explain why your confidence has increased?

    Many thanks,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    February 15, 2018 at 8:02 AM
    Frank Acland:
    I am progressing at an exponential speed in these days, because issues that needed months to be resolved a couple of months ago now need less time. I give you a model from Dan Brown: to pass from the discovery of fire to the invention of wheel has taken millions years, but to pass from the invention of the wheel to the invention of an internal combustion engine it has taken thousands of years, and so on.
    Obviously I can be wrong and find some unforeseen obstacle, by I am optimist: if you are not an optimist guy, you cannot be either an inventor or an enterpreneur, while I am both.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

This site uses cookies. By continuing to browse the site you are agreeing to our use of cookies.