European Patent Office Grants Airbus LENR Patent

Thanks to a reader for letting me know about a patent that has been granted to Airbus Defence and Space GmbH for “Energy generating device and energy generating method and control arrangement and reactor vessel therefore”. The inventors listed are Bernhard Kotzias, Ralf Schliwa, and Toor Van Jan. The application was submitted in June 2016, and the patent grant date is March 7, 2018.

Full text available here: https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3047488B1/en?oq=EP3047488B1

From the description:

“In particular, the invention relates to a power generating apparatus having a reaction vessel or a cell for generating thermal energy by an exothermic reaction. As an exothermic reaction, a quantum condensate is carried out on a metal grid assisted electrodynamic process with hydrogen in particular. The participation of weak and strong interaction is not excluded. Preferably, a LENR is performed as an exothermic reaction, it stands for “low energy nuclear reaction”. This name has historical reasons, in the end, low-energy reaction products are produced by a fusion of nucleons.”

The full text can be found here:

https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3047488B1/en?oq=EP3047488B1

  • Gerard McEk

    I wonder if how they convinced the patent office that the device actually works. For a theoretically unproven methodology, I would imagen that you need a bit more than just words on paper that it works as described.

    • Richard Hill

      AFAIK, the Patent Office is not interested if the subject device works or not. It is only concerned that the specific claims are documented by a method that can be reproduced by someone “skilled in the art”.
      In my country they are only interested in “words on paper” supplemented by diagrams and references to publications.

      • SG

        Actually, in the case of perpetual motion devices, LENR, etc., a working model must often be presented to the examiner.

        • Gerard McEk

          Indeed, but am not sure that is also the case for the EU patent office.

    • bob dash

      There is more I’d think. Just not publicly available, probably?

    • Dave Lawton

      Harold Aspden was granted a patent and that was years ago and a US one after a struggle.

  • cashmemorz

    Because the military, a part of the government was allowed to gain a patent or patents, then the device must work. Otherwise it would be the word or claims of one department of the government against the word or claims of another department. This gives all others a precedent which all others would use if a patent were not to be granted to anyone else. Pandora’s box has been opened.

    • Gerard McEk

      You are talking about the US government, I am not sure about the EU.

      • cashmemorz

        True.

  • Gerald

    seraching Jan van Toor came with another patent application. An older one.
    https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160225467

    Rossi is referenced there, next to other companies. No idea what to think of it.

    Reaction materials for carrying out such metal lattice assisted electrodynamic condensation processes, as for instance LENR materials, are already known and are realized by a number of companies, especially the Leonardo Corporation see also WO 2009/125444 A1 or the companies Defkalion Green Technology, Brillouin Energy or Bolotov. Others, as for example explained in the below mentioned citations [8], [9], [10], implement compositions of transition metals and semimetals.

    • causal observer

      Strategic?
      Staking out IP turf?
      Creating defensive perimeter?
      Makng LENR marketable?
      Seems to indicate that they have something.
      Lots of government involvement.
      Not much oil or gas in the core EU countries.
      Russian pipelines.

    • cashmemorz

      Defkalion Green Technology has a place holder site http://www.defkalion.com/. Just a fancy logo.and links to faceboo, twitter linkedin, instagram, netbits web solutions, and travelstories. Its about some guy named Defkalion Kalogridis, Strategic Business Development and Marketing Professional
      Melbourne, Australia.
      Not the Defkalion of LENR fame, defunct since 2014. Damning evidence: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GamberaleLfinaltechn.pdf

  • Martyn

    It was very interesting reading through this new European Patent Office patent granted to Airbus. Looking at the diagrams( https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3047488B1/en?oq=EP3047488B1 ), I thought that some aspects of the patented design are strongly similar to a concept that I suggested to Andrea Rossi on his Journal of Nuclear Physics blog way back in August 2012.

    Bare in mind that the E-Cat reactor at the time was the original Hot Cat cylinder with the fluid pipe running coaxially through the centre of the reactor.


    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=62#comment-306100
    “Martyn Aubrey
    August 21, 2012 at 6:46 AM”

    “The suggestion – A possible method to retain and increase the heat within a single E-Cat module.

    As the Hot Cat is now a cylinder, have you considered tightly arranging some modules around a central module to concentrate the heat and reduce losses to the outside of the units?

    This could be in a horizontally stacked arrangement of one row of 2 modules, placed on 1 row of 3 modules, placed on one row of a further 2 modules.

    The shape of the 7 combined units would form a hexagon when viewed from one end, with one module at the centre.

    This would have the effect that any heat being lost from the shell of the central cylinder would
    reinforce the heat in the outer 6 cylinders and the excess heat from the outer ring of cylinders give more heat to the central cylinder.

    The complete multi-E-Cat unit could be contained within a single larger cylinder or casing and the empty spaces between the tightly packed modules filled with a heat conducting filler medium to allow conduction and even dispersal of the heat between the individual E-Cats.

    The thermal coating or jacket normally applied to each individual E-Cat module would be applied to the complete device to contain the heat energy as a whole.

    The overall unit would still retain separate pipes for extracting the heat from the individual E-Cats (i.e. 7 pipes) for either steam or heat transfer fluid in the usual manner as your stand-alone E-Cat module.”

    This suggested configuration is quite similar to the Airbus patented design, I believe.

    Oh yes, they use Pulse Width Modulation(PWM) to control the amount of energy input to the reactors. I also suggested this too.


    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806&cpage=7#comment-703217
    “Martyn Aubrey
    May 23, 2013 at 9:33 AM
    Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) and the Flywheel Effect

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    A thought about the form of the heating signal sent to the Hot Cat, particularly during the start-up phase.

    The signal used for the resistor coils ON/OFF cycle, as shown in the 3rd Party Report page 27 (Plot 7 and Plot 8), is a rectangular waveform with regular shaped pulses of constant maximum level, giving energy to the Hot Cat.

    An idea that may allow more precise control of the energy delivered, would be to use a Pulse Width Modulation signal (PWM) and vary the width (time duration) of the pulses to adjust the amount of energy delivered in each pulse.

    The regular rate (frequency) of the pulses would remain the same as the signal you are currently using (i.e. the waveform would still have the same start point for the rising (leading) edge of each pulse).

    However, the width of the pulse would be increased or decreased in proportion to the heating energy required.

    e.g.
    1. At start-up, a large amount of heat would be required to bring the E-Cat up to the working temperature for LENR to occur and the pulse width (length) would be long, maybe as much as 90-100% of the duty cycle.

    2. As the E-Cat achieves LENR and requires less heat input, the pulse width can be reduced, possibly to 50-60% of the duty cycle.

    3. When the E-Cat has reached its normal working temperature, the pulse width would then be reduced again to around 35%, the rate you have previously specified for the cat & mouse configuration (35% of cycle Activator ON, 65% of cycle Activator OFF).

    These percentage figures are only examples, but I think they show the principle.

    The overall effect would be like putting energy into a flywheel:
    Large pushes are needed to start the wheel rotating, less as it speeds up, but only small taps to keep it rotating at speed.”

    I did wonder if any of the designers had previously read Andrea’s JoNP blog and been subconsciously influenced by my designs.

    Martyn Aubrey

    • LION

      Hi Martyn,
      Also called the ‘Hundredth Monkey syndrome’—-
      I have such a system ready for use, as a result of an iteration of LION 2. Just good common sense and Engineering considerations and our past History as in a Nuclear power plant design. Good for you. MIND is the Universal Medium to which LIFE is Wired.

      This is the set up I am about to use for the first time in the Transmutation Experiments that I will soon run for BOB and MFMP to be sent to them for independent analysis. Sealed unopened tubes.

      Which will be successful or blow Raspberries–such is the life of an experimenter.

      • Martyn

        Thanks LION,

        The more people working on LENR the better for getting a valid working system out into The Real World.
        Thanks for your hard work with LION 2, and Good Luck to yourself, Bob and the MFMP.
        I feel that we cannot be too far now from LENR being a real useful power source.

        Kind Regards,
        Martyn

    • gerold.s

      Hi Martyn,

      It is my understanding if you post an idea, design, etc… publicly this cannot be patented anymore. Maybe the patent office was not aware that you actually made your idea open source.

      It would be interesting to see what will happen, if one will followup on this.
      Bye the way I proposed also a design (publicly)
      http://disq.us/p/1rq36w5

      Currently I am changing my concept in the direction:
      • heat source glow plug (with PWM control) only to be used to (quickly) release H2 from a metal hydride
      • use of an RF source or arc to initiate LENR reaction; e.g. use of nickel electrodes to
      create an arc / glow discharge thru or across fuel section
      • optional design for primary reactor chamber: incorporate a heat resistant resonant circuit in primary reactor core.
      • since BN is quite expensive; really use it were directly in contact with LENR fuel
      • use of Argon to create a plasma in primary reactor chamber

      regards
      Gerold

      • Martyn

        Hi Gerold,

        Yes, I agree totally with your comment “It is my understanding if you post an idea, design, etc… publicly this cannot be patented any more”.

        The main reason that I posted the details of my suggestions and the links to the original posts was to prevent anyone trying to close down the use of these ideas, even if they were arrived at independently.

        I personally may not follow this up with the European Patents Office, but if anyone does build a version of the configuration in my suggestion and finds that someone tries to block them, then I am very happy for them to cite the original postings on Andrea’s JoNP to justify using this design.

        As I said to LION, “The more people working on LENR the better for getting a valid working system out into The Real World”.

        I admire you for your hard work to create a working LENR device, but I must admit that the fine details have moved well beyond my relatively limited Radio Technician knowledge and understanding, but I do try to keep up!

        I wish you very well for your ongoing design work and hope you have successful results.

        Best Regards,
        Martyn

        • gerold.s

          Thanks for your feedback…. But if you already suggested this to A. Rossi publicly, he will not be able to patent your idea either. 😉 That could be a problem for him, because he is so keen on protecting “his” IP.

          • Martyn

            Gerold,
            Very true about Andrea Rossi not being able to patent this particular idea. But Andrea has moved far beyond this very early stage even if I did help him then, which is still not certain.

            Rossi’s dedicated perseverance has been the main driving force bringing LENR research to the higher profile that it is now, and I hope that he is successful with his ongoing plans for production and selling heat.

            Every person researching LENR, such as yourself, LION, the MFMP and the growing number of Russian scientists, greatly increases the baseline of human knowledge.

            Thank You All!
            Ultimately, we will all benefit from every one of your efforts.

            Best Regards,
            Martyn

  • Nik Agmk

    Patent decription contains interesting things, I like: “As is already known in LENR processes, resonance effects are used to enhance the electromagnetic fields. Special effects occur at about 15 THZ and 11 microns. The resonance effects are excited by a pulse edge, which is initiated by an electromagnetic field via electrodes.”
    It is known that generation of THz waves is quite lossy (waste heat).
    And this leads us to Rossi with his control unit of QX that gives lots of heat and small fraction of power immediately to device…

    • Max Nozin

      That waveform might be what Brillioun calls Q wave.

      • cashmemorz

        If resonance is the key, then resonance, as in the way the Grand Unified Theory-Classical Physics has resonance as a key feature in how a photon is captured into the electron’s orbit-sphere. Energy, by way of transmission of a photon is of a frequency or energy in eV that is the same frequency or a harmonic of the electron’s orbisphere is in similar frequency or eV or harmonic. When the two, electron orbitsphere and the impinging photon are in resonance, the electron pulls or captures the photon inside its orbitsphere to hold onto the photon one planck distance inside the orbit-sphere of the electron. If in the THz range, it is microwave to infra-red. This is in the molecular vibration range rather than photon transmission-capture mechanism. therefore more likely to be phonons. The resonance then is between molecule sized bodies, not electrons or electron orbit-spheres. This area has features common to both quantum wave mechanics and to GUT-CP. Not the mechanism involved in the Suncell, where UV-b is the mechanism envisioned.

        • greggoble

          Correct me if I’m wrong, IMHO this is one of the reasons why Bushnell, and a few others, say that LENR is a fractal phenomenon. I am just beginning to understand how resonance and harmonics are seen as fractals… both musically and mathematically perhaps?

          • cashmemorz

            Ihave some understanding of fractals as physical shapes. But the way energy is transmitted, it is an action. Not familiar with fractals in that domain.

          • greggoble

            Your comment sent my mind in a different direction causing me to google fractal energy versus fractal shape…

            Now I have a fun bit of study… Found this. Don’t know if it’s just hoo-hooey or legit… Seeing that it’s from Worcester Polytechnic Institute I’d say it’s cutting edge… sorta like ‘cold fusion’.

            Fascinating read and I look forward to studying more.

            I wonder how this relates to LENR or if I am still unclear on the subject (matter) pun intended.

            FRACTAL GEOMETRY & ENERGY
            “Umberto Mosco Investigates the Relationship Between Fractal Geometry and Energy” https://www.wpi.edu/academics/departments/mathematical-sciences/research/fractal-geometry-energy

            Umberto Mosco says that the relationships between shape and sound and shape and color have always fascinated him. In fact, they have guided his life’s work. Mosco, a world-renowned expert in mathematical analysis, uses these simple terms to illustrate the complex mathematics that describe the relationship between an object’s geometry and energy. Mosco’s research and teaching interests include convex analysis, control theory, homogenization, partial differential equations (PDEs), and variational problems. By examining the relationships between calculus, discrete mathematics, and statistics, he has cleared new paths in the calculus of variations, but it is the relationship between fractal geometry and energy that motivates him.

            His most recent publications focus on fractal and pre-fractal singular homogenization. He uses fractals to investigate the theory of highly conductive thin layers. Homogenization problems that deal with highly conductive thin layers have been studied at least since the 1970s, write Mosco and his collaborators, but transmission problems dealing with infinitely conductive fractal layers have only recently been investigated. Mosco uses a biological metaphor to explain the fractal problems he is researching.

            “Every physical body has its own spectrum, its sort of internal DNA,” says Mosco. “And sometimes the geometry gets very much perturbed, deformed. But this internal DNA, this spectrum, is always keeping its nature. And how these two things are connected is a very challenging thing. It explains the deep nature of physical bodies. Everything that I’ve done has always been trying to put together, using geometry, and analysis in particular, this description of intrinsic vibrations, and how coupled bodies can interfere with each other in the sense that they start to vibrate together.”

            Researchers have recently discovered, says Mosco, “that the spectrum survives very strong geometric perturbations which develop what are called fractal features. Fractal features means that the body has distinct dimensions for the geometry and the spectrum and at least one of them is a fractional number. This is quite a different behavior than that of a usual body. Traditionally, a uniform physical body has a single dimension for both, and it is an integer number. The fractal splitting of dimension was discovered when it was observed that certain, very crazy, mathematical objects, also had a ‘voice’, also had a ‘sound’. They were not only crazy geometrical objects; these objects were able to speak. The physicists first, then the mathematicians later, started to understand what is the sound that is attached, what is the spectrum that is related to these very strange bodies And to their surprise, or out of their deeper intuition, they discovered the dimensional splitting. This theory was developed some twenty years ago. In the last ten years a lot of work has been done to study how these strange fractal bodies interfere, interact with our usual membranes and domains. This is very challenging because it’s going in new and perhaps alternative directions than the classical theory of partial differential equations and boundary value problems has gone so far. “

          • greggoble

            Further reading on fractals and energy… Along a different line of thought. Some same same some different. This is from David Sandalow, Inaugural Fellow, Center on Global Energy Policy, Columbia University.

            Fascinating yet not still clear as to whether it relates to LENR, all in all a must read.

            “Energy Innovation and Fractals” University of Michigan Energy Institute, Fall Symposium, Ann Arbor. Michigan October 14, 2013

            Quote

            FRACTALS

            According to the American Heritage Science Dictionary, a fractal is a “geometric pattern exhibiting self-similarity in that small details of its structure viewed at any scale repeat elements of the overall pattern.” A website devoted to fractals writes: “A fractal is a never-ending pattern. Fractals are infinitely complex patterns that are self-similar across different scales.”

            The term “fractal” was first used by the mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot in 1975. Building on antecedents dating back hundreds of years, Mandelbrot launched the new field of “fractal geometry.” At his death in 2010, a fellow mathematician wrote “if we talk about impact inside mathematics, and applications in the sciences, he is one of the most important figures of the last 50 years.” The science writer Arthur C. Clarke was even more effusive, describing Mandelbrot’s work on fractals as “one of
            the most astonishing discoveries in the history of mathematics.”

            gbgoblenote – The following particular paragraph is taking my learning curve onto a branching tangent.

            “Indeed a search of the U.S. Department of Energy’s Techportal website, which offers information about intellectual property available for license, patents and patent applications, identifies 58 patents and applications that use the word “fractal.” (They have titles such as “Process for applying control variables having a fractal structure” and “Methods for non-referential defect characterization using fractal encoding and active contours.”) Not all of these patents and applications make central use of fractal geometry and not all relate directly to energy technologies, but the number of references in this DOE database suggests that fractal frameworks are making their way into the thinking of energy innovators.” – end quote

            gbgoblenote – Yet even of more interest in this presentation.

            quote

            Several thinkers have begun to ask these questions about institutions for energy innovation in particular. In an interesting paper on institutional issues in energy innovation, three scholars at Harvard’s Kennedy School (V. Narayanamurti, L. Anadon and A. Sagar) suggest: “there are certain features for the management of innovation institutions that are important at every scale: from the individual researcher, to a research group, to divisions, and the overall institution…These features…could be thought of as fractal characteristics.”

            Another writer (B. Lum), discussing innovation within large companies, notes that “Innovation as a cultural characteristic starts with each person and before [innovation] can become systemic it has to grow from one person to two, two to four, four to eight and so on…Like a fractal that is governed by a formula
            and a set of parameters, the formula for innovation to take hold will depend on the individual’s initiative and the supportive environment.”

            Work in this area is interesting, but preliminary. More work is needed to evaluate the potential for fractal frameworks to assist in designing and managing institutions for energy innovation.

            end quotes

    • nietsnie

      I knew it! Controlling LENR can be understood using the illustration of controlling audial feedback in a loudspeaker system at the rooms resonant frequencies. A little bit can be controlled. But much more and the process becomes too volatile to be controlled quickly enough and becomes a runaway. The primary difference between successful and unsuccessful reproduction efforts is accidental stimulation of the fuel at it’s resonance frequency by the power system used. Successful efforts have some at the important frequency – but not too much.

      Useful control efforts might be to arrange for the stimulating frequency to oscillate in and out of resonance – producing the reaction but not allowing it to build up beyond control. There are a number of ways to do that, but the easiest might be to produce the resonant frequency as a harmonic created by two lower frequencies – one of which moves up and down in ‘pitch’.

      • Vinney

        A lot of potential advances in control and power distribution using advanced algorithms and advanced computer controls of electromagnetic and radio frequencies.
        No wonder he is not in a hurry to go to market, he is creating new advances in science almost weekly, these are very addictive toys for an inquisitive mind.
        Very impressive work Dottore Rossi.

  • Max Nozin

    There are few interesting abstracts for ICCF 21 by Kornilova and Vysotskiy. They report transmutations in TI indused by ‘ HF undamped thermal waves’. To produce the waves they use cavitation.
    Would be interesting how that is related to THz pulses with abrupt wave front.

  • AdrianAshfield

    If you download the pdf file you can see the two figufes on page 22. https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/23/d2/0b/14005fa651bb0c/EP3047488B1.pdf

    DIdn’t help me much as the patent is written in such a deliberately obscure way it would take more time than I care to spend to understand it.

    • cashmemorz

      Google won’t translate the German to English for me. On other sites it translates. Is the pdf document just a picture or somethng that google can’t read as letter characters or what is the problem with translating?

  • Albert D. Kallal

    There was also a few patient some years ago – and reported on ECW.

    I see this more of patent trolling than anything else.

    However, given that France is one of the most “nuclear” savvy countries (over 80% of their power is nuclear), then it not surprising.

    Remember, France had a LENR program up to 2001???

    They were making rather good progress, but one day they all looked at each other, and said why is the government doing research on a new form of nuclear power that will put most of us in the nuclear industry out of work? So for political reasons they shut down the research. The nuclear industry in France is rather large, and a LOT of people work in that industry.

    It also interesting that Pons and Fleishman after their cold fusion brew ha ha in the USA moved to France and were funded by Toyota for about 10 years. P & F stated they were making rather good progress. What and where is all that data + research?

    That research is worth MILLIONS right now – where is it?

    I suspect that Toyota being in France and funding research that could put the France nuclear industry out of business was “one” reason why the French government was also funding LENR for some time.

    However, after Toyota pulled the plug on P & F, then I think the pressure on the nuclear industry to also pull the plug on that research also occurred.

    If I was looking into LENR, then I would certainly attempt to get both the results and research from P & F, and ALSO the France LENR program. Both of these programs have “millions” of dollars of research value.

    I don’t know what occurred with all that data + research, but between the Toyota program, and the French government program, there is “millions” of dollars of research just sitting there for the taking.

    The above may VERY well explain why Airbus is dabbling in LENR – they may well like have such research results in their possession.

    So to the MMFP and others – where is this pile of goldmine research? Has anyone attempted to get their hands on 10 years of P & F research + another 10+ years of research by the French nuclear industry?

    I have to think such research is worth many millions of dollars. If I was a LENR start up, one of my first steps would be attempts to get my hands on near 20+ years of combined LENR research. And these research labs were not one man in some basement, but rather well funded programs.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Vinney

      One person that could point you in the right direction is Stanley Pins, from last accounts, alive and well and living in the French countryside. Arrange an appointment, bring some wine and cheese.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Well, I think at least one would/could ask what Toyota did with all the research papers. In most cases the “employer” will keep and hang on to that data. I mean, we talking about close to 10 years of well funded research by what amounts to likely two of the greatest engineers in electro-chemistry.

        I don’t know if Pons could keep that material – but I think at least some “historical” digging in this area would bear fruit. There had to be “tons” of research produced in 10 years of work – and that work has to be of great value.

        I mean, perhaps Toyota does not realize what they are sitting on, but both projects (the P & F one, and France Nuclear industry) did have well funded research – it just seems a shame to have all that work “sitting” in a pile of documents tucked away someplace.

        So yes, someone should ask Pons where did the results of all that work eventually wind up?

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • Omega Z

          “Toyota replicates Mitsubishi LENR”

          Whats left to say about Toyota…

  • LION

    Hi WolfD,
    yes., amoung others. Also–Hindu Scripture–SAT-CHIT-ANANDA
    BEING-CONCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS-BLISS.

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